In Regards to the Forum Meeting (9-13-06)

[alexcollinsworth]

Members of UEoR,

I totally agree with the way you handled the AoRG High Council at the meeting tonight. They were wrong for not letting you voice your opinions. It is my opinion that the High Council does not value the thoughts and ideas of it's membership and I suppose your guild's idea to withdraw your voice from the AoRG. If we are not allowed to be heard...then the hell with them

For I have had many disagreements with the High Council in the past as well, and they have treated me the same. I think a change in power is on the horizon.

Don't you agree?

Lord Alexander Collinsworth

[ambiancedreams]

*For a moment she sat there, rereading over the portion of the orb she had kept for her documents, of the meeting that was supposed to be for "the people" , since the chancellor's had their very own meetings. She shook her head slowly and threw that scroll on the ground, slamming her foot over it to crumple the paper, followed by a gathering of mucus released upon that parchment which she looked over, frown on her face, and eyes a bloodshot red tint*

The meeting last night, well it was very disappointing. They call this the meeting for the people, yet they limit us speaking our minds? They are indeed lower than any life force walking this realm, or any other. They can't handle truth, so they decide to tell us that's enough! And that we're no longer permitted to speak? I say to hell with the chancellory. We don't need them to limit us to what we can do, and can't do. These meetings were meant so that we could voice our concerns, thoughts, opinions, and all, openly whether someone likes them or not. These days what people like them lack is gumption and they often roam in denial. It's ashame there are so many gutless imbecile's amongst these lands. However, that is after all the mission of the Unholy. To crush them like the spineless, weak, pond scums that they are. It seems there won't be a change in power, chancellory wise, but UEoR has rose in power, indeed. And it won't be very long until we crush them completely. We already outnumber them in greatness, and these weak excuses for events for us to "interact" with one another *She shook her head slowly and rolled her eyes before she let out a low grunt* If I were as pathetic as these people, I'd spare the world that waste of air and take my life. And that's all I have to say on the issue

*Nodding slowly as a frown played along those crimson tiers and she left her words to linger for whomever would like to hear what she had to say in reference to the topic at hand*

[Diana Darkholme]

((OOC)) - After the events that took place at the most recent forum meeting, it is hereby declared that the Unholy Empire of Rhydin WILL NOT be in attendance until a time when the forum has decided it will allow for a serious debate of issues to be properly discussed in front of the forum. Though we are not chancellors with a comfy cushion spot in the forum, we are the people of this forum and have a voice. If they are unwilling to acknowledge us, then we will not waste our time with mindless chatter nor will we placate to the power that they so desperately try to pull over us. Instead of listening to the valuable voices of this forum, they have tried to silence us, thus keeping the fresh ideas away from a serious debate so that it does not threaten their current reign. This is unacceptable to us and find this a very disturbing behavior.

Below I have included the log of the forum meeting that took place on September 13th 2006. I started the log off where the issue began simply because of length. If anyone has any further questions or would like a full copy of the log, please do not hesitate to ask. Also, if there are those of you who still wish to attend, we ask that you please do not do so under the banner of UEoR. Thank you.

- Diana Mun

------------------------------------- Forum Log -------------------------------------

Greyffin: Minya-san?
MinyaDkbld: forgive me for stepping ((Ooc a moment
MinyaDkbld: ((We simple wish to state that it is not in the spirit of the
game or within the atmosphere that AoRG wishes to engender for people to
create anonymous SN's for the sole purpose of gaining VP. In a word, please
don't. ))
MinyaDkbld: g/a
Unholy Lord: [?]
Greyffin: ((Shane))
Unholy Lord: [I was wondering if perhaps MinyaMun could elaborate further on
precisely what that means. I'm not sure I understand.]
Greyffin: ((Minya?))
MinyaDkbld: ((we've started seeing screennames with no identifiable
character behind them, that by nature of the name
OnlineHost: RangerBlue has entered the room.
MinyaDkbld: ((itself implies that it was designed to proctor. While the
profiles do contain the minimum information required by mandates, there
appears to be no real person behind them.
MinyaDkbld: ((it is the opinion of chancellery that this in opposition with
our intent and purposes for the game.
RangerBlue: ::enters quietly::
MinyaDkbld: ((we have no issues with members who wish to focus on proctoring
as long as they are real people. I don't really know how to explain that
better, sir))OnlineHost: Decleaen has entered the room.
Unholy Lord: [!]
Diana Darkholme: (!)
VVicked Raine: ::She enters silently, taking a place near the door to
listen::
LrdCampbel: ((Queue: Shane, Diana))
Greyffin: ((If I may... I believe an example would be a Screen Name
"GuildVPProctor" or such, that is not an actual character))
OnlineHost: StonCarver has entered the room.
OnlineHost: V01tomdbm has entered the room.
OnlineHost: StonCarver has left the room.
Greyffin: ((A name that has no character, and is created only to proctor in
an event, and is not in the spirit of having a character that interacts with
others, as that is the purpose for the events.))
Greyffin: ((Does that help at all?))
OnlineHost: IKieranTheDemonI has entered the room.
Diana Darkholme: (!)
OnlineHost: The BIadedancer has entered the room.
Greyffin: ((Shane))
LrdCampbel: ((Queue: Diana, Diana))
TiefIing: (!)
Leoperdis: ( !)
Diana Darkholme: ((Name only needed once thanks))
LrdCampbel: ((Queue: Diana, Nathanial, Kyttea))
OnlineHost: CersiJRizDyr has entered the room.
The BIadedancer: Ravin was a bit late, but it was a long walk from Gabe's
house. The she-Elf pushed a few silver curls behind her ears and signed the
book as she stook a seat in the back. Ravin SilverRose, Captain, BITCH
Unholy Lord: [I'm uncertain whether that truly helps or not. However, I will digress and allow the meeting to continue with the assumption that the comment wasn't directed at anyone in particular.]
OnlineHost: VvJasmine NytevV has entered the room.
RangerBlue: ::sighs:: So many parans........I thought I was among patrons...
RangerBlue: ::shakes his head sadly and leaves::
OnlineHost: RangerBlue has left the room.
TiefIing: (.....)
Greyffin: ((No, it was not directed at anyone in particular.))
Greyffin: ((Diana))
Diana Darkholme: ((I would like to address the statement directed towards the "Minimum" amount of information that is sometimes offered in some profiles. I hardly think that it is the forums place to direct anyone in how much or how Little theyCersiJRizDyr: *slips in a bit late* Cersi Riz'Dyr, war minister of SEVEN,
OBR MotR.....
Diana Darkholme: make available about that character. I can under stand
making a character that is clearly for the purpose of VP earning..however
some people prefer that you actually "role" play with them and find out the character through
VVicked Raine: ::Nods to Cersi as she steps aside for him to sign in::
OnlineHost: AnaSregon has entered the room.
OnlineHost: Decleaen has left the room.
Diana Darkholme: interacting with them. And while on the mention of proctoring..I would also like to address this sudden issue which really has grown out of the most recent events because of claims that UEoR is "hogging" Proctoring VP's. I wouldWAmazon QueenW: (back)
Diana Darkholme: like to point out...UEoR is blessed with a large collection of proctors that are strong at what they do and we 'Trust' that they will get the job done correctly. Nobody is perfect, I myself was docked in the most of the more recent
CersiJRizDyr: *moving in he would find a seat in the back and take it
staying silent*
Diana Darkholme: events and I will own up to it. But I refuse to sit by and let it go on that we are Hogging the points. You all have members and there is more then one event room. Go to another room..set up a match and earn your own VP's. Some of
TiefIing: ( Remove me from the queue, too much time has passed to return to
the subject....)
Greyffin: ((I am going to interrupt you now...))
Diana Darkholme: you may call this un sportsman like..we call it trying to compete and make up the strength we need as a new guild in the forum g/a))
Greyffin: ((The OOC comment mentioned was not as a result of any UEoR actions, so the need to make a defensive speech is not appropriate.))
Greyffin: ((as for the minimum information requirement, AoRG requires "Guild name or abbreviation, Forum Name or Abbreviation, Dice rank, and Uniregs if they are possessed.))
BasketballMoss: ( Defensive rant... speeches are of worthwhile material...)
VvJasmine NytevV: :: Jasmine stepped from the shadows where she had been listening and quietly signed in and took a seat :: " Jasmine DeSade Nyte MS Chancellor and GC of SCoR "
Diana Darkholme: ((This is not only a defense speech..it is to put the record strught. When members of other guilds come looking for proctors...and then we are accused of hogging. That is somebody twisting facts))
Greyffin: ((Mind the queue, basketballmoss.))
Greyffin: ((Enough, Diana.))
Diana Darkholme: ((g/a))
OnlineHost: X Llor Drei X has entered the room.
Greyffin: ((Nathanial, please, if you have something?))
OnlineHost: V01tomdbm has left the room.
X Llor Drei X: ::Llor Drei scampers in for From Ashes Rising::
OnlineHost: The BIadedancer has left the room.
TiefIing: ( no, I wont be one to delay the meeting further by reverting to
an earlier subject )
Greyffin: ((Gomen nasai.))
OnlineHost: The BIadedancer has entered the room.
Greyffin: ((Kyttea))
Leoperdis: ( I could be off base but I don't think it has as much to do with VP gain than it does a growing desperation for having a proctor at hand. It was recently brought up under what conditions should a proctor be allowed to keep score..
Leoperdis: chosen by the challenger ,challenged or simply being capable ?
Leoperdis: Deciding who will provide one can be as simple as flipping a
coin :shrugs:: its not a big deal. The heightened demand from people for
perfect proctors does not help any .
Leoperdis: In reality , it would be very natural for a private to make a
mistake . It is also easy for a longtime player to make a mistake after
spending 12 hours at work only to be confronted with a plea to proctor
..People get tired .
Tueur Silencieux: (?)
Leoperdis: We'll never have enough if we do not gently direct and guide those who err..and stop being so harsh on them when they do make an honest mistake .
Leoperdis: It is also a greatly missed opportunity for their superiors to
actually work with them to improve . g/a)
Greyffin: ((Arigato.))
Bryannae: <!>
Greyffin: ((Tueur, and following Bryannae, the queue on this topic is
closed.))
Greyffin: Tueur
Tueur Silencieux: (I am a rather new member, and I haven't seen anything on the forum website about this...why can't either the challenger or challenged just proctor themselves?)
Diana Darkholme: (1)
Diana Darkholme: (!) <---(Was IM'd and not allowed to speak in meeting. IM Log Below)
Greyffin: ((Self proctoring is not allowed in official matchs... anything that earns VPs, because there is an easy claim that the proctor is biased.))
Greyffin: ((Does that help, Tueur?))
Tueur Silencieux: (I understand the reasoning, but I think if your a good
RPer, and enjoy it a lot, you wouldn't want to ruin it, or your name, by
messing things up when proctoring.)
OnlineHost: IKieranTheDemonI has left the room.
OnlineHost: Ravensilvr3 has entered the room.
Greyffin: (( ::smiles:: true, but not all think as you do, neh? ))
OnlineHost: My Legend Demise has entered the room.
Ravensilvr3: :slips in quietly signing the book Raven Darksilver From Ashes rising:
Greyffin: ((Do you have anything further, Tueur?))
Tueur Silencieux: (Heh, I suppose. I only bring this up because I challenged Kittie during the WotA event...and we were never able to actually fight because we couldn't find anyone to proctor.)
OnlineHost: AnaSregon has left the room.
My Legend Demise: Late. Yes. Sign. Nasepha ip Therranj, DGC to SCoR, GC
Adviso to GF.
NoirWidow: (!)
Alenia Solarius: *slips out, having other things to do.*
Ravensilvr3: :he moved over around Nathan:
Greyffin: ((That is unfortuneat, but we must move on.))
OnlineHost: Alenia Solarius has left the room.
TiefIing: ::stands nodding to those he likes, and leaves::
Greyffin: ((Bryannae?))
OnlineHost: TiefIing has left the room.
The BIadedancer: Waves to Raven, offering a small nod as she turned back to
those in the meeting.
Bryannae: ((Would it be possible for AoRG to offer classes on proctoring?
It can be quite confusing for many with all the enhancers being used.
Bryannae: I think new members and many that have been here a long time would
benefit from the
Bryannae: instruction and/or refresher. Just a thought of course but I know
I could use it since it's
Bryannae: been a very long time since I proctored a match and we have some
awesome proctors here.
Bryannae: g/a
VvJasmine NytevV: ( see me if you want to proctor, if not busy ill be more
then happy to assist or point to someone who will ]
VVicked Raine: ::nods agreeing there::
Ravensilvr3: :nods to Ravin:
MinyaDkbld: (we have a proctor class in the works)
Glacia8984: (!)
Greyffin: ((I think that is an excellent idea as does the Chancellery, as
they are currently working to provide such.))
Greyffin: ((We have now reached the end of this topic.))
Bryannae: ((wonderful...thanks))
Greyffin: ::She turned to Noirwidow:: New topic?
NoirWidow: ((In regards to Leo's comment. I completely agree with the
statement you make Leo mun. But this forum has decided to penalize our proctors for such innocent mistakes such as sending a log in a little
The BIadedancer: She had a new topic, and raised her hand. (!)
NoirWidow: later then an hour because that one proctor was flooded with requests at the final hours of the event. That cost the guild and member over 40VP's alone. g/a))
Greyffin: ((Noir that was not a new topic.))
NoirWidow: ((Forgive..I was confused.))
Greyffin: ((You will not be acknowledged again this meeting.))
OnlineHost: Trai T Rune has entered the room.
Greyffin: Glacia-san, new topic?
Glacia8984: Apartly
Trai T Rune: ::Walks in:: Trai Rune CRoWWN OBR War Advisor.
Glacia8984: Partly*
Greyffin: If it is new, and separate from the proctoring issue, the floor is
yours.
Glacia8984: It use to be offered with the WC Training, but since Tristan
left from
OnlineHost: Unholy Angyl has left the room.
Greyffin: If it continues on the proctoring topic, please address it in a
letter to the Tresvir, or the Chancellery.
Glacia8984: office and they decided these take home test were better it's no
longer
Glacia8984: offered. However if any member of any guild wants or needs to
learn I
Glacia8984: would be more than willing to help them for events, Wars, or BHs

Glacia8984: No it's an offer to teach
Greyffin: Gomen nasai.
Glacia8984: Completely different from the actually topic though still
related. ::Waving her hand:: G/A
Unholy Flames: ::He rose to his feet, stretching out slightly, and then
headed out.::
OnlineHost: Unholy Flames has left the room.
Greyffin: Arigato, Glacia-san. I am certain the offer is much appreciated.
Trai T Rune: ::He then sat somewhere in a chair.::
NoirWidow: ::Shoving away from the wall with her foot hitting the ground
with a heavy stomp, she hissed as she turned on her heel slipping back out of
the hall with a devilish cackle::
OnlineHost: NoirWidow has left the room.
Greyffin: Further, I cannot speak for all the Chancellors, however I am sure
many of them would be happy to help in a similar manner, and it never hurts
to seek out a Chancellor if you have a question or need help.
UnholyFate: *shaking her head slightly she eased to the exit door as
silently as possible, fingertips of her right hand curling around the handle
of the door, to pull it open, and step out of the hall. Closing the door
behind her*
OnlineHost: UnholyFate has left the room.
MinyaDkbld: ::nods at Chancellor Greyffin's comment::
OnlineHost: Aiden the punk has entered the room.
Greyffin: Other topics? Forum or Chancellery?
The BIadedancer: Her hand was still up, yes it was. Whee.
Greyffin: Gomen nasai, I did not see your hand.
Diana Darkholme: :: Having heard enough of this nonsense she stood from her chair with a quick pass of her gaze over the crowd before she turned, the flood of back following in her wake as she left the hall::
Greyffin: Bladedancer?
Glacia8984: (Her name is Ravin)
Greyffin: Ravin-san?
OnlineHost: Diana Darkholme has left the room.
KitanaPaladine: (pardon me for speaking out of turn, but she just lost her connection)
Greyffin: ((Arigato.))
KitanaPaladine: (you're welcome)
Unholy Lord: [!]
Greyffin: Shane-san? ((Queue: Ravin when she returns.))
Unholy Lord: [If it is the intention of those within the forum government to disallow the presence of serious debate among those who feel strongly about given topics, the players of UEoR see no reason
Unholy Lord: to be in attendance at these proceedings. UEoR will no longer attend forum meetings until such time as the forum makes the decision to allow open discussion.]
Unholy Lord: [Have a good evening.]
OnlineHost: Unholy Lord has left the room.
OnlineHost: Kain Gray has left the room.
OnlineHost: Unholy Rogue has left the room.
OnlineHost: Senscha Bhail has left the room.
Greyffin: That is fine. Debate is different from ranting. We will not encourage Ranting in meetings, and so I suppose this will be the last time we see UEoR at a meeting.
BloodRozeDawn: ::bited her lip but is smiling..mmhmm::
Greyffin: Has Ravin returned?
BloodRozeDawn: bites***
KitanaPaladine: Nae.
Greyffin: I will contact Ravin-san via missive if she has not returned by
the end of the meeting.
OnlineHost: Jade Vladstov has entered the room.
Greyffin: Are there any other items?
LrdCampbel: Motion to adjourn?
Glacia8984: Second
Laviera Layonte: Thid
CersiJRizDyr: *just shakes his head*
Laviera Layonte: (Third*)
Greyffin: Alright.
Greyffin: Meeting is adjourned.
Bekkah420: ~*~Slides out~*~
Greyffin: I wish you all a good night.
Ravensilvr3: :nods to the ones he knows and leaves:
AlexCollinsworth: ::rolls his eyes::
AdaraSpellweaver: :::Stands and smiles, then heads for the door::
My Legend Demise: Out.
OnlineHost: Ravensilvr3 has left the room.

------------------ IM LOG ------------------

My attempt to make a comment back in the meeting but was not allowed.

LrdCampbel [7:44 P.M.]: ((The queue was closed for the proctoring topic. Is your item a new topic?))
Diana Darkholme [7:45 P.M.]: ((No it is not but my statement will be quick))
LrdCampbel [7:46 P.M.]: ((I am sorry, the queue was closed.))
Diana Darkholme [7:46 P.M.]: ((I would greatly appreciate the chance to make one last remark))
Diana Darkholme [7:46 P.M.]: ((People are still talking about proctoring))
Diana Darkholme [7:46 P.M.]: ((I think it is only fair))
LrdCampbel [7:47 P.M.]: ((I am sorry, they will continue to do so until the topic is closed... it was closed with Bryannae.))